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		<title>By: drew</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2009/08/testing-core-stability/comment-page-1/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was wondering if you could email me as i am doing this for my A2 coursework and i still dont understand the protocol of the rotational stabilty test</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was wondering if you could email me as i am doing this for my A2 coursework and i still dont understand the protocol of the rotational stabilty test</p>
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		<title>By: markyoung</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2009/08/testing-core-stability/comment-page-1/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>markyoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all have different assessment tools and I&#039;m firmly of the belief that there are many routes to the same place.  As you know, there is ALWAYS more to learn.  :)

I look forward to your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all have different assessment tools and I&#8217;m firmly of the belief that there are many routes to the same place.  As you know, there is ALWAYS more to learn.  <img src='http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I look forward to your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike T Nelson</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2009/08/testing-core-stability/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike T Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there Mark!  

While I understand the history of some of the ones you use here and they can be good general screens, I personally don&#039;t use any of them.  

I know that probably seems like heresy, but my eval is generally just a few things

1) gait -  allows you to see the &quot;real&quot; them in motion (as long as you get them to do a real gait).  You want to see what &quot;auto software&quot; their brain is really running.  

2) active range of motion -  normally just shoulders to the side and front and also a flexed forward bend.  Sometimes neck rotation.

3) a movement they can&#039;t do without pain -  for some it is a lunge, or lunge and twist, shoulder out in front, etc.  This is normally the real reason they should at my door.

There are a host of other things I may test for depending on what I find, but those 3 I find most useful.  I guess I could add muscle testing for lats, glute med, RF, and psoas too.  

I teach axial/spinal lengthening to get all the &quot;core&quot; muscles to fire.  If I still think they are weak, I will do a muscle test for the abdominal muscles and if they fail, I will have them do an active cranial mobilization for the sagittal suture and that works almost all the time.

Sorry for the hijack, and I think I have a new blog post! ha!
Rock on
Mike T Nelson PhD(c)
http://www.ExtremeHumanPeformance.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there Mark!  </p>
<p>While I understand the history of some of the ones you use here and they can be good general screens, I personally don&#8217;t use any of them.  </p>
<p>I know that probably seems like heresy, but my eval is generally just a few things</p>
<p>1) gait &#8211;  allows you to see the &#8220;real&#8221; them in motion (as long as you get them to do a real gait).  You want to see what &#8220;auto software&#8221; their brain is really running.  </p>
<p>2) active range of motion &#8211;  normally just shoulders to the side and front and also a flexed forward bend.  Sometimes neck rotation.</p>
<p>3) a movement they can&#8217;t do without pain &#8211;  for some it is a lunge, or lunge and twist, shoulder out in front, etc.  This is normally the real reason they should at my door.</p>
<p>There are a host of other things I may test for depending on what I find, but those 3 I find most useful.  I guess I could add muscle testing for lats, glute med, RF, and psoas too.  </p>
<p>I teach axial/spinal lengthening to get all the &#8220;core&#8221; muscles to fire.  If I still think they are weak, I will do a muscle test for the abdominal muscles and if they fail, I will have them do an active cranial mobilization for the sagittal suture and that works almost all the time.</p>
<p>Sorry for the hijack, and I think I have a new blog post! ha!<br />
Rock on<br />
Mike T Nelson PhD(c)<br />
<a href="http://www.ExtremeHumanPeformance.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ExtremeHumanPeformance.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: markyoung</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2009/08/testing-core-stability/comment-page-1/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>markyoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a general rule, I like to put my hand underneath of the back of the person I&#039;m testing.  I tell them to lower their legs and keep their back in contact with my hand so that I couldn&#039;t tell they were moving if I had my eyes closed.  If I feel movement the test is failed.

Sometimes cues are the magic solution though and the tool of a good coach.  It sounds as if you&#039;ve found the one that works for your friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a general rule, I like to put my hand underneath of the back of the person I&#8217;m testing.  I tell them to lower their legs and keep their back in contact with my hand so that I couldn&#8217;t tell they were moving if I had my eyes closed.  If I feel movement the test is failed.</p>
<p>Sometimes cues are the magic solution though and the tool of a good coach.  It sounds as if you&#8217;ve found the one that works for your friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthias</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2009/08/testing-core-stability/comment-page-1/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the leg lowering test:

I never had a problem with this test. A friend of mine tried it and couldn&#039;t do it, But I noticed that he roled onto his butt while lowering his legs. As I told hime to keep the butt away from his upper body and in his next attempt he could do 8 reps in a row.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the leg lowering test:</p>
<p>I never had a problem with this test. A friend of mine tried it and couldn&#8217;t do it, But I noticed that he roled onto his butt while lowering his legs. As I told hime to keep the butt away from his upper body and in his next attempt he could do 8 reps in a row.</p>
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		<title>By: markyoung</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2009/08/testing-core-stability/comment-page-1/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>markyoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the dowel is primarily used for testing so I know when the client has broken form.  As you mentioned, it can also serve as a great teaching tool in the early stages as well.

With the double leg lowering test I like to keep the back flat against the floor.  I do this mostly because the external obliques fire together to cause posterior rotation of the pelvis, but also because it makes it easier to determine success or failure on the test.  When the lower back raises from the floor even small movements are easy to detect.  If the spine were held in neutral I suspect it would be harder to pick up changes in the lumbar curve.

As for the arms, I prefer to have people put them on their external obliques to monitor their activity so they don&#039;t try to perform the exercise with the rectus abdominus.  I&#039;m obviously trying to prevent counterbalancing too.  Doing this kills two birds with one stone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the dowel is primarily used for testing so I know when the client has broken form.  As you mentioned, it can also serve as a great teaching tool in the early stages as well.</p>
<p>With the double leg lowering test I like to keep the back flat against the floor.  I do this mostly because the external obliques fire together to cause posterior rotation of the pelvis, but also because it makes it easier to determine success or failure on the test.  When the lower back raises from the floor even small movements are easy to detect.  If the spine were held in neutral I suspect it would be harder to pick up changes in the lumbar curve.</p>
<p>As for the arms, I prefer to have people put them on their external obliques to monitor their activity so they don&#8217;t try to perform the exercise with the rectus abdominus.  I&#8217;m obviously trying to prevent counterbalancing too.  Doing this kills two birds with one stone.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2009/08/testing-core-stability/comment-page-1/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Mark.  I have a few questions for you.

With the front plank and back extension hold, is the dowel to be used just for testing purposes and possibly in the initial stage of traininf to get a client to understand what the correct positioning will feel like?  

On the double leg lowering test, should the back actually be flattened flush against the floor or should natural lordosis be maintained throughout (starts in &quot;neutral&quot; spine and stays that way throughout with no lumbar hyperextension)? I&#039;ve seen some coaches who say that the eventual goal is to maintain neutral spine and others who advise using the posterior pelvic tilt and keeping the lower back flush against the floor.  I just wanted to clear this up so that I am not doing anything silly!

Also, are the arms to be held across the chest or with the hands on the obliques, to prevent them from providing any measure of counterbalance during the test?  

Thank you for sharing your informative blog and for taking the time to read my post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Mark.  I have a few questions for you.</p>
<p>With the front plank and back extension hold, is the dowel to be used just for testing purposes and possibly in the initial stage of traininf to get a client to understand what the correct positioning will feel like?  </p>
<p>On the double leg lowering test, should the back actually be flattened flush against the floor or should natural lordosis be maintained throughout (starts in &#8220;neutral&#8221; spine and stays that way throughout with no lumbar hyperextension)? I&#8217;ve seen some coaches who say that the eventual goal is to maintain neutral spine and others who advise using the posterior pelvic tilt and keeping the lower back flush against the floor.  I just wanted to clear this up so that I am not doing anything silly!</p>
<p>Also, are the arms to be held across the chest or with the hands on the obliques, to prevent them from providing any measure of counterbalance during the test?  </p>
<p>Thank you for sharing your informative blog and for taking the time to read my post.</p>
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		<title>By: markyoung</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2009/08/testing-core-stability/comment-page-1/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>markyoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question Steve.  And quite frankly, I&#039;ve never honestly thought about it, but you&#039;re probably right.  Leg length does increase the effort required to lower the legs without the back arching.

As one of several tests, failure on this test does not conclusively provide proof of any instability by itself, but it does suggest that this warrants further investigation.  Often people who fail this test will fail all attempts to do easier variations (such as deadbugs) which indicates to me that my initial assessment was correct.

I also like to use manual muscle testing to find out which muscles are inhibiting performance so this initial test directs my further testing procedures.

As for the dowel, yes, it runs along the length of the spine.

Hope that helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question Steve.  And quite frankly, I&#8217;ve never honestly thought about it, but you&#8217;re probably right.  Leg length does increase the effort required to lower the legs without the back arching.</p>
<p>As one of several tests, failure on this test does not conclusively provide proof of any instability by itself, but it does suggest that this warrants further investigation.  Often people who fail this test will fail all attempts to do easier variations (such as deadbugs) which indicates to me that my initial assessment was correct.</p>
<p>I also like to use manual muscle testing to find out which muscles are inhibiting performance so this initial test directs my further testing procedures.</p>
<p>As for the dowel, yes, it runs along the length of the spine.</p>
<p>Hope that helps!</p>
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		<title>By: steve ferrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve ferrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mark,
My question is... Does length of the legs in relation to the length
of the torso play a role when doing the Double Leg Lower?? ie If you
normally have a short torso in relation to having long legs will this play a role in the back arching early in this exercise. Does this still mean that the core is weak or is it weak in relation to these factors??

And, do you lay the dowel in line with the spine??

Great article... you&#039;re a big inspiration!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mark,<br />
My question is&#8230; Does length of the legs in relation to the length<br />
of the torso play a role when doing the Double Leg Lower?? ie If you<br />
normally have a short torso in relation to having long legs will this play a role in the back arching early in this exercise. Does this still mean that the core is weak or is it weak in relation to these factors??</p>
<p>And, do you lay the dowel in line with the spine??</p>
<p>Great article&#8230; you&#8217;re a big inspiration!!</p>
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