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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2010/05/the-truth-about-medical-obesity-management/comment-page-1/#comment-4925</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ADHD has a strong relationship to obesity. Sometimes treating ADHD causes patients to lose weight.&quot;  This is undoubtedly true, but it&#039;s a side effect of ADHD drugs.  These drugs are amphetamine salts, and they cause the patient to lose his or her appetite.  Adderall is amphetamine/dextroamphetamine, and Desoxyn is actually methamphetamine. They were very popular as weight loss drugs decades ago, but obesity is no longer an approved indication because of their addictive potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ADHD has a strong relationship to obesity. Sometimes treating ADHD causes patients to lose weight.&#8221;  This is undoubtedly true, but it&#8217;s a side effect of ADHD drugs.  These drugs are amphetamine salts, and they cause the patient to lose his or her appetite.  Adderall is amphetamine/dextroamphetamine, and Desoxyn is actually methamphetamine. They were very popular as weight loss drugs decades ago, but obesity is no longer an approved indication because of their addictive potential.</p>
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		<title>By: Hypnoguy</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2010/05/the-truth-about-medical-obesity-management/comment-page-1/#comment-1612</link>
		<dc:creator>Hypnoguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 05:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Band surgery is very effective, the problem is staying motivated long term and not cheating by eating foods that bybass the band. chocolate for example, and ice cream. It&#039;s important to stay motivated and determined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Band surgery is very effective, the problem is staying motivated long term and not cheating by eating foods that bybass the band. chocolate for example, and ice cream. It&#8217;s important to stay motivated and determined.</p>
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		<title>By: markyoung</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2010/05/the-truth-about-medical-obesity-management/comment-page-1/#comment-599</link>
		<dc:creator>markyoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 11:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely completely agree.  Just how long does it take for information to reach the masses...really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely completely agree.  Just how long does it take for information to reach the masses&#8230;really?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Daly Jr, CSCS</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2010/05/the-truth-about-medical-obesity-management/comment-page-1/#comment-595</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Daly Jr, CSCS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 02:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a fitness consultant, I assess clients regularly who would be categorized as &quot;skinny fat.&quot; While they don&#039;t appear to be obese, and most are content with their shape, they are putting their long term health in jeopardy by not realizing the importance of developing lean muscle mass. Many of these obese healthy weight individuals are endurance athletes or enthusiasts. Who overemphasize cardiovascular endurance for health and weight management and devalue resistance training and lean mass development for optimal health and metabolism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a fitness consultant, I assess clients regularly who would be categorized as &#8220;skinny fat.&#8221; While they don&#8217;t appear to be obese, and most are content with their shape, they are putting their long term health in jeopardy by not realizing the importance of developing lean muscle mass. Many of these obese healthy weight individuals are endurance athletes or enthusiasts. Who overemphasize cardiovascular endurance for health and weight management and devalue resistance training and lean mass development for optimal health and metabolism.</p>
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		<title>By: Anoop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 01:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think part of the reason was how it has been very clear in research that 70-80% of the people who lose weight put the majority of it back.

I agree. Exercise has an independent effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of the reason was how it has been very clear in research that 70-80% of the people who lose weight put the majority of it back.</p>
<p>I agree. Exercise has an independent effect.</p>
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		<title>By: markyoung</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2010/05/the-truth-about-medical-obesity-management/comment-page-1/#comment-579</link>
		<dc:creator>markyoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 20:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great quote!

My understanding is that the 5-10% guideline wasn&#039;t established because people couldn&#039;t maintain more, but because research was done to determine the minimal amount of weight loss necessary to improve health.  That said, we now know (thanks to Dr. Robert Ross) that health markers can be improved without ANY weight loss if moderate exercise is performed.

Whether people CAN physiologically keep the weight off and whether they are willing to do the work required to do so are two different issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great quote!</p>
<p>My understanding is that the 5-10% guideline wasn&#8217;t established because people couldn&#8217;t maintain more, but because research was done to determine the minimal amount of weight loss necessary to improve health.  That said, we now know (thanks to Dr. Robert Ross) that health markers can be improved without ANY weight loss if moderate exercise is performed.</p>
<p>Whether people CAN physiologically keep the weight off and whether they are willing to do the work required to do so are two different issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Anoop</title>
		<link>http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/2010/05/the-truth-about-medical-obesity-management/comment-page-1/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Anoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 00:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Friedmann - who discovered Leptin-, 

&quot;Classically, a genetic contribution to a human
trait is quantified by comparing the trait’s
variation between identical and non-identical
twins. Using this approach, the heritability
of obesity — percentage of variation
due to genetic factors — ranges between 70%
and 80%. These values exceed those for most
other traits that are commonly accepted to
have a biological basis, including diabetes,
heart disease and cancer. Indeed, the only
trait with consistently higher heritability
than obesity is height.

Now they usually call it a settling point concept instead of a set point. And the 5-10% is reasonable, though a 40lbs loss for a morbidly obese will still leave them in that category. We are now slowly accepting the 5-10% as a good number because we know there is a huge genetic factor and is almost impossible to get people to normal BMI levels and keep them that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Friedmann &#8211; who discovered Leptin-, </p>
<p>&#8220;Classically, a genetic contribution to a human<br />
trait is quantified by comparing the trait’s<br />
variation between identical and non-identical<br />
twins. Using this approach, the heritability<br />
of obesity — percentage of variation<br />
due to genetic factors — ranges between 70%<br />
and 80%. These values exceed those for most<br />
other traits that are commonly accepted to<br />
have a biological basis, including diabetes,<br />
heart disease and cancer. Indeed, the only<br />
trait with consistently higher heritability<br />
than obesity is height.</p>
<p>Now they usually call it a settling point concept instead of a set point. And the 5-10% is reasonable, though a 40lbs loss for a morbidly obese will still leave them in that category. We are now slowly accepting the 5-10% as a good number because we know there is a huge genetic factor and is almost impossible to get people to normal BMI levels and keep them that way.</p>
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		<title>By: markyoung</title>
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		<dc:creator>markyoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 17:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great question!  I plan to address this in a post soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great question!  I plan to address this in a post soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alejandro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 09:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we agree that obesity is often times an indicator of other underlying issues, what role do you think the strength and conditioning coach/trainer plays in that situation? Given that many still have difficulty mastering the intricacies of their own field, how can they go about being an active player in the treatment of widespread obesity?

Other general info about obesity not to forget:
Physiologically, once fat cells have developed they can no longer be destroyed without outside interference. That is, changes in body fat come from losses in fat cell size, not number. Thus, an obese child steps into the adult life with a proportionally larger number of fat cells, which forcibly need to always be minimally stocked, than the average child (knowing that fat cell hyperplasia can occur more significantly at certain times, like puberty for example).

Cheers,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we agree that obesity is often times an indicator of other underlying issues, what role do you think the strength and conditioning coach/trainer plays in that situation? Given that many still have difficulty mastering the intricacies of their own field, how can they go about being an active player in the treatment of widespread obesity?</p>
<p>Other general info about obesity not to forget:<br />
Physiologically, once fat cells have developed they can no longer be destroyed without outside interference. That is, changes in body fat come from losses in fat cell size, not number. Thus, an obese child steps into the adult life with a proportionally larger number of fat cells, which forcibly need to always be minimally stocked, than the average child (knowing that fat cell hyperplasia can occur more significantly at certain times, like puberty for example).</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
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		<title>By: markyoung</title>
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		<dc:creator>markyoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 21:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mark - Thanks for the comment!

@ Alejandro - I totally agree that being overweight or obese is a symptom of something else.  While behaviours like eating excess calories and lack of activity can make someone obese, I think the real key is to find out WHY the person overeats or is inactive.  Various factors can influence these behaviours and addressing these will treat the cause.  Performing surgery without addressing the cause often results in weight regain or other destructive behaviours including suicide.

@ Stephen - I agree that the biggest issue with childhood obesity is knowing when it actually exists.  Even in adults doctors rarely write the diagnosis of obesity in their medical charts.  If something is not documented as a problem what do you think are the odds it is being treated?

The &quot;number to treat&quot; data came from a guy who has studied a 15,000 person sample at his clinic so his sample is fairly representative of this population.  Although stats don&#039;t work exactly as he proposed, I would suggest that he&#039;s possibly on the right track.

@ Anoop - I&#039;m not really a fan of the metabolic set point argument for body weight (especially if someone is morbidly obese).  If someone is 400 pounds it should be actually really easy to lose and maintain a 10% (40 pound) weight loss.  And if there is a set point, when is it determined?  And by what?  Genetics certainly can&#039;t account for everyone who is overweight and obese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mark &#8211; Thanks for the comment!</p>
<p>@ Alejandro &#8211; I totally agree that being overweight or obese is a symptom of something else.  While behaviours like eating excess calories and lack of activity can make someone obese, I think the real key is to find out WHY the person overeats or is inactive.  Various factors can influence these behaviours and addressing these will treat the cause.  Performing surgery without addressing the cause often results in weight regain or other destructive behaviours including suicide.</p>
<p>@ Stephen &#8211; I agree that the biggest issue with childhood obesity is knowing when it actually exists.  Even in adults doctors rarely write the diagnosis of obesity in their medical charts.  If something is not documented as a problem what do you think are the odds it is being treated?</p>
<p>The &#8220;number to treat&#8221; data came from a guy who has studied a 15,000 person sample at his clinic so his sample is fairly representative of this population.  Although stats don&#8217;t work exactly as he proposed, I would suggest that he&#8217;s possibly on the right track.</p>
<p>@ Anoop &#8211; I&#8217;m not really a fan of the metabolic set point argument for body weight (especially if someone is morbidly obese).  If someone is 400 pounds it should be actually really easy to lose and maintain a 10% (40 pound) weight loss.  And if there is a set point, when is it determined?  And by what?  Genetics certainly can&#8217;t account for everyone who is overweight and obese.</p>
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