Facebook Arguments - This is How I Roll

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So Sunday I sent out an email to my newsletter subscribers and, as I usually do at the bottom, I invited my subscribers to join me on Facebook to connect and share in the discussions on my wall.  More specifically, this time I mentioned that my Facebook is indeed the place to be to enjoy the rants, arguments, and tirades that take place on my statuses from time to time.

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Interestingly, despite having invited people to add me many times before, it seems that you are all more excited to chat it up if you think there is going to be disagreement and rage filled rants.  In short, ya’ll are sick!    Of course, this is good news because I am also one for such discussions.  For the rest of you who have yet to connect and participate in said discussions (shame on you), please feel free to add me HERE.  I know you’re just as sick as the rest of us.

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While you’re at it, don’t forget to follow me on Twitter and subscribe on YouTube as well.

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Down to Business

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Okay…enough chatter.  Time to get to work.

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Last week I wrote a little bit about the state of the research on refeeds, but I was very careful not to say that they don’t work because the truth of the matter is that just because there isn’t any research to help us determine one way or the other in well designed weight loss studies in humans.  As you could probably tell from the tone of my post, I’m not totally convinced at this point and I don’t often use structured refeeds with my clients.

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That said, I know that there are many very smart folks who do use refeeds with their clients and I think it is only fair to consider their opinions as well.  I feel that many fitness professionals – myself included - can sometimes become a little too dogmatic about their own methods so I wanted to ask my good friend Erik Ledin (who has worked with many high level bodybuilding, fitness, and physique competitors) to share his perspective on how to use refeeds and when they are most effective.

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*Note – To be clear here, we’re talking about structured higher calorie and higher carb meals.  Refeeds are not the typical “cheat meal” where a bodybuilder will go out to a restaurant and kill a steak, a pizza, and a plate of pasta washed down with a couple Cokes.*

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Here’s what I asked Erik

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“At what point do you feel refeeds become important? Do people at any percentage of body fat benefit from them? In other words, are they valuable for everyone who is trying to lose fat?”

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Erik’s response

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“You could really draw an answer out but just to keep it short, when progress stalls, or when a person is lean.
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Fatter people don’t need refeeds since body fat is protective to the regulatory hormones; it’s when someone gets lean and is further and further away from their metabolic set point that things tend to get all jacked up.
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People can argue this all they want, but the reality of actual PEOPLE going through this is hard to ignore.
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I don’t know what body fat percentage that would be as I could bet it would differ from person to person again based on how far they’ve come from where their bodies want to naturally gravitate towards. Those who have come from further probably will benefit sooner and vice versa.
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So I’ll look at progress, gym performance as well and a general assessment based on what they’re looking like.  Sometimes I’ll put one in, only to pull it back out because maybe my application of it wasn’t timed right.
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My Thoughts

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As most of you know, I like to wait until the dust settles in terms of research before I make a definite conclusions about whether something works or doesn’t work.  However, I am not against trying things in the interm provided that the theory is sound and there is practical evidence suggesting that it works in the applied setting.

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In this case, it appears that if you’re going to try refeeds, you at least need to have hit a standstill in terms of weight loss that can’t be explained by overconsumption of calories or too little activity and likely be relatively lean.  If you’re just starting to follow a nutrition plan and you’re trying to justify using refeeds as a way to over eat on the weekend because you need to maintain your leptin levels you’re probably deluding yourself.  A more moderate calorie deficit is probably the key to success and if you’re going to use refeeds, you should probably wait until they are truly warranted.

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I should also note here, that while we are talking about the effects of leptin on hunger and metabolism, we shouldn’t forget that other hormones like ghrelin and PYY have effects on hunger as well and none of these hormones operate in isolation.  In fact, some of them are actually effected just be THINKING that something is more filling.  So we can’t ignore the possibility that other hormones as well as social and psychological factors can play a role in fat loss.  While refeeds may indeed work, there is still so much more we can learn.

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Recently a reader of this blog asked me to comment about those in the industry that are known primarily as internet marketers.  While most in the strength training and fitness industries talk about these people with disdain, I’m not sure I totally feel the same in all cases. 

I suppose the biggest issue that some people have with the internet guru who doesn’t work with someone in person is that they can’t possibly know anything about how things work in the real world.  To this I say bullshit.  My good friend Erik Ledin works primarily with bodybuilders and fitness competitors online and many of them are very successful.  Maybe you don’t want to be doing rehab online, but I’m not about to discredit anyone who is doing something or selling something that works regardless of whether or not they’re currently in contact with people.

Guys like John Berardi, Alan Aragon, and Lyle McDonald all come to mind when talking about making money online and I have no doubts that they’re all putting out good content.  As long as the content is good and it works for those who purchase it, I could care less who you’re working with.  There are a LOT of shitty trainers who actually work with people so I’m not sure how this suddenly became the criteria we use to determine whose products are worth buying and whose aren’t.

 
It seems to me that with many trainers and coaches if you’re making a lot of money online you’ve sold out and you’re not given the respect you might otherwise deserve.  To some trainers it appears that there is some sort of nobility to working endless hours until you’re burnt out and making minimal dollars until you reach the top.  To me, if you’ve created a fat loss product and it works (and it isn’t full of typos and plagiarism – you know who you people are) you deserve every cent you make whether you’re working with a single person or not.

On the other hand, the people that piss me off are those with huge lists who become affiliates of everyone on the planet who has a product launch and endorse them without any concern about whether or not the new product is a giant pile of dog turd.  These people, even if they have good products themselves, go on my blacklist because I have no respect for anyone who sells junk strictly for the sake of money.

 
Good products for money = Respect.  Bad products for money = Blacklist.

 
And for the record, none of this is meant to discredit any of the guys killing it in the trenches and still putting out great products.  You know who you are and these are always the top products on my list.

 
What are your thoughts on internet marketing and fitness products?